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DanHenderson
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Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:21 am Posts: 670 Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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 Re: 1945 Letter to FJA
Interesting. I read an article in Newsweek years ago about the budding field of neurotheology. Scientists apparently located the part of the brain that establishes the boundary between perception of Self and Other. Mystics learn how to voluntarily switch off this region, leading to the feeling of being One With Everything.
_________________ “Don’t believe everything you see on the Internet.” –Abraham Lincoln
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RobertJames
Heinlein Nexus
Joined: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:05 am Posts: 375
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 Re: 1945 Letter to FJA
IIRC, there were two lives, intimately remembered in full detail -- the details became less accessible the older he got.
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JamesGifford
PITA Bred
Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm Posts: 2309 Location: The Quiet Earth
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Wow. Synchronicity. I told a hot dog vendor just last week, "Make me One with Everything."
_________________ "Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders." - Luther In the end, I found Heinlein is finite. Thus, finite analysis is needed.
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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 Re: 1945 Letter to FJA
Enlightenment with mustard and relish! Seriously, that's kind of the generic bottommost level of mystical experience.
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JamesGifford
PITA Bred
Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm Posts: 2309 Location: The Quiet Earth
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 Re: 1945 Letter to FJA
Most of which can be shown to have organic, biological roots. If you get whacked on the head and see stars, it's not because you're astrally projecting.
_________________ "Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders." - Luther In the end, I found Heinlein is finite. Thus, finite analysis is needed.
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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Well, yeah. I think the organic roots bit is contributing factor rather than cause for the basic mystical experience. The brain's organization of data seems to be more directly contributory. So far as I can tell, if you wanted to give a more-or-less materialist (though not Victorian positivist materialist) explanation, it's the sensed experience of the non-verbal part of the brain looking at the structures used by all parts of the brain (incuding the verbal parts which is normally all we listen to). That old brain does not use fine discrimination but instead sees things in terms of wholes, completeness, friendly-unfriendly, and so forth -- global rather than fine-grained. Since what it is looking at is the total system of scripts and models we use to organize our sense of the world (our "mental model"), it's not surprising that it sees everything related to everything else, and it's equally not surprising that it senses an overall intelligence in that world-picture. Or as a friend and I have taken to remarking of someone we all know, he's been sniffing the glue of his mental model . . .
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DanHenderson
Centennial Attendee
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:21 am Posts: 670 Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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And when you gave him a $5 bill and waited for your change, he just said, "Change must come from within."
_________________ “Don’t believe everything you see on the Internet.” –Abraham Lincoln
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| Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:41 am |
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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And Jim can then tell him, "No, no, I want t' change." [cf. the punch line to to the joke, how many talk therapists does it take to change a lightbulb -- only one but the light bulb has to want to change.]
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PeterScott
Heinlein Nexus
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:10 am Posts: 1865 Location: Pacific NorthWest
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 Re: 1945 Letter to FJA
Dang, that may be the most concise description of fandom ever written. Heinlein nailed it.
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audrey
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Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:11 pm Posts: 198
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 Re: 1945 Letter to FJA
So how can we agree to that without labeling ourselves? Surely we cannot hide behind "present company excepted...."
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